Hi Guys, I've been a lurker here for a while and damn there is a lot of info out there on these turbo conversions! I've done a solid week of reading and watching youtube vids but there are a few things I still need help with!
What and why:
Car is an Australian Dual-Range 5MT Outback with suspension lift, GR2 struts, L series low range gearset, Grabber AT tyres (this car sees lots of dirt roads and sand dunes) and lots of other mods, with of course, an ej251 which is why I'm here! Unfortunately turbo outbacks were never imported here, just H4's, H6's and now diesels (Ick).
I'm doing a good old fashioned bolt on 6psi max turbo jobby, but finding a balance between price and reliability and fun!
My parts list:
-TD04 Turbo + all plumbing, gaskets.
-Forester XT intercooler/splitter.
-Stock headers with custom up pipe, down pipe and 2.5" system (I have a friend who owns an exhaust shop so this bit is easy for me!).
-Spa Turbo FMU. This FMU has 10-100PSI adjustable baseline (off boost) pressure and a 2:1 - 14:1 adjustable boost reference rising rate. Should make tuning easier. Has anybody used this on a Subaru?
-Voltage clamp, either SS or the 5.1v zener. Or I might build my own clamp circuit.
-Walbro 255lph fuel pump kit.
-NGK BKR6E-11 plugs (a step colder).
-Oil catch can and turbo coolant header tank.
-Boost and AFR gauges.
My Questions:
1). As opposed to a voltage clamp, has anyone tried a 2 or 4 BAR map sensor? Since the problem with a MAP sensor is the voltage goes out of range on boost, does a boost specific MAP sensor have a different voltage range? I'm just not convinced that the clamp method is the greatest idea. Prove me wrong.
2). There seems to be some debate as to whether an intercooler is any use on 5-6psi. Has anybody tried with and without? I'm of the thought that cold boost is always better, but how much heat is even made by 5-6psi?
3). I've placed my hand on the intake manifold many times when the engine has been running and was alarmed at how HOT it gets. Surely this problem just raises intake air temp which the intercooler has just cooled? I've seen insulating manifold gaskets that apparently make the manifold a lot cooler to the touch, has anybody tried them? Also the coolant gets pumped through the throttle body to heat it which transfers heat to the manifold.
4). From what I can read, the critical recipe to make these engines last is to not get carried away with boost, run rich AFR's and high octane fuel. Every fuel station here has the american equivalent of 94 as well as 91 and 87. Were people successful with 91? Because running costs of 94 are a noticeable amount higher.
5). BOV/BPV. I understand that this can upset the AFM metered air in a MAF system, But in a MAP system can I just plumb it back into the pre turbo tract or vent to atmosphere without stalling issues etc?
6). As far as water cooling for the turbo, does anybody run the turbo water line to a header tank for natural convection cooling when the engine is shut off? Or is this unnecessary? I've heard that without this system that water in the turbo can boil and oil can coke up. Also if I bypass the coolant flow from the throttle body, Is this a good place to get a water feed for the turbo?
7). I'm using the FMU in series after the stock FPU, the FPU vac line is plugged into the intake manifold after the throttle body, and I'm guessing the FMU boost line is plugged in before the throttle body so it can only see boost? A bit confused here.
8). I've seen a lot of builds on here and it appears lots of people don't worry about an oil catch can. Do they just plumb the breather into the intake before the turbo? I imagine that method could make a mess of everything!
9). What target AFR's do you guys tune for at 5-6psi on these engines?
10). Does the stock charcoal canister purge solenoid only open under vacuum? I don't want to be boosting 6psi into that system!
Phew!
Thanks a lot!
What and why:
Car is an Australian Dual-Range 5MT Outback with suspension lift, GR2 struts, L series low range gearset, Grabber AT tyres (this car sees lots of dirt roads and sand dunes) and lots of other mods, with of course, an ej251 which is why I'm here! Unfortunately turbo outbacks were never imported here, just H4's, H6's and now diesels (Ick).
I'm doing a good old fashioned bolt on 6psi max turbo jobby, but finding a balance between price and reliability and fun!
My parts list:
-TD04 Turbo + all plumbing, gaskets.
-Forester XT intercooler/splitter.
-Stock headers with custom up pipe, down pipe and 2.5" system (I have a friend who owns an exhaust shop so this bit is easy for me!).
-Spa Turbo FMU. This FMU has 10-100PSI adjustable baseline (off boost) pressure and a 2:1 - 14:1 adjustable boost reference rising rate. Should make tuning easier. Has anybody used this on a Subaru?
-Voltage clamp, either SS or the 5.1v zener. Or I might build my own clamp circuit.
-Walbro 255lph fuel pump kit.
-NGK BKR6E-11 plugs (a step colder).
-Oil catch can and turbo coolant header tank.
-Boost and AFR gauges.
My Questions:
1). As opposed to a voltage clamp, has anyone tried a 2 or 4 BAR map sensor? Since the problem with a MAP sensor is the voltage goes out of range on boost, does a boost specific MAP sensor have a different voltage range? I'm just not convinced that the clamp method is the greatest idea. Prove me wrong.
2). There seems to be some debate as to whether an intercooler is any use on 5-6psi. Has anybody tried with and without? I'm of the thought that cold boost is always better, but how much heat is even made by 5-6psi?
3). I've placed my hand on the intake manifold many times when the engine has been running and was alarmed at how HOT it gets. Surely this problem just raises intake air temp which the intercooler has just cooled? I've seen insulating manifold gaskets that apparently make the manifold a lot cooler to the touch, has anybody tried them? Also the coolant gets pumped through the throttle body to heat it which transfers heat to the manifold.
4). From what I can read, the critical recipe to make these engines last is to not get carried away with boost, run rich AFR's and high octane fuel. Every fuel station here has the american equivalent of 94 as well as 91 and 87. Were people successful with 91? Because running costs of 94 are a noticeable amount higher.
5). BOV/BPV. I understand that this can upset the AFM metered air in a MAF system, But in a MAP system can I just plumb it back into the pre turbo tract or vent to atmosphere without stalling issues etc?
6). As far as water cooling for the turbo, does anybody run the turbo water line to a header tank for natural convection cooling when the engine is shut off? Or is this unnecessary? I've heard that without this system that water in the turbo can boil and oil can coke up. Also if I bypass the coolant flow from the throttle body, Is this a good place to get a water feed for the turbo?
7). I'm using the FMU in series after the stock FPU, the FPU vac line is plugged into the intake manifold after the throttle body, and I'm guessing the FMU boost line is plugged in before the throttle body so it can only see boost? A bit confused here.
8). I've seen a lot of builds on here and it appears lots of people don't worry about an oil catch can. Do they just plumb the breather into the intake before the turbo? I imagine that method could make a mess of everything!
9). What target AFR's do you guys tune for at 5-6psi on these engines?
10). Does the stock charcoal canister purge solenoid only open under vacuum? I don't want to be boosting 6psi into that system!
Phew!
Thanks a lot!